Paypal no longer accepted? Why?

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Starting on February 23, 2023, GitHub Sponsors will no longer support PayPal as a payments processor. As such, it will no longer be possible to sponsor individuals or organizations using PayPal.

I received an email from Github saying this a few minutes ago.

Why is this happening? Some people are going to stop sponsoring because the alternative is to hand over a credit card number. Why would Github do this?

@SilentVoid13
@blacksmithgu

[jge162]

maybe PayPal charges too many fees? or too much Fraud. who really knows. I love PayPal personally myself. I used it to sponsor two people. RIP

[siodor]

I agree, GitHub has to provide an alternative! And I for sure won't use ApplePay either, never!

[forti42]

maybe PayPal charges too many fees? or too much Fraud. who really knows. I love PayPal personally myself. I used it to sponsor two people. RIP

Yep, w/o PayPal, I´m outta here.
Why? Transactions via Paypal don´t show up on my bank account. And that´s what I want. My CC is tied to my bank and registering another CC anywhere else would drop my reputation. So I will have to stop sponsoring a real great project.

[Whoeza]

maybe PayPal charges too many fees? or too much Fraud. who really knows. I love PayPal personally myself. I used it to sponsor two people. RIP

Yep, w/o PayPal, I´m outta here. Why? Transactions via Paypal don´t show up on my bank account. And that´s what I want. My CC is tied to my bank and registering another CC anywhere else would drop my reputation. So I will have to stop sponsoring a real great project.

maybe PayPal has money laundering issues (I wrote it in another comment here: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/45180#discussioncomment-4766864)

and for meditation purposes think about this: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/45180#discussioncomment-4775622
as coders we should be free to make our own path in technology, yet we suffer from monopoly, a contradiction in-and-of itself

Microsoft always does this to anything it buys, because it's business. It's the same old problem again.

[jatgm1]

I agree, GitHub has to provide an alternative! And I for sure won't use ApplePay either, never!

Dude use privacy.com and use a fake card like I do lol. I have the fake card on Paypal too so they can't charge my real one.

[NatoBoram]

Dude use privacy.com and use a fake card like I do lol. I have the fake card on Paypal too so they can't charge my real one.

Most people can't use privacy.com

[stephanecharette]

The email from Github was very poorly worded.

1. It did not specify why PayPal was removed, which is the obvious question people would have.

2. It contains the phrase "We're focused on providing the best Sponsors experience for everyone involved" which is obviously NOT true. How does removing PayPal make the sponsor experience "the best"? To me, it means people who have paid using PayPal in the past might not do so anymore, which is definitely not a better experience.

Drop the marketing twist, and give us straight answers in your communications, please.

[hmans]

This is a terrible, poorly communicated change that is going to hurt a lot of people and significantly damage the trust in this program. I find this very very disappointing.

[Whoeza]

just think about this: Microsoft bought GitHub, so GitHub removing PayPal might be an anticipation of something that Microsoft will offer in a similar scope as PayPal

[hmans]

just think about this: Microsoft bought GitHub, so GitHub removing PayPal might be an anticipation of something that Microsoft will offer in a similar scope as PayPal

I don't know what makes you think that. GitHub is not removing PayPal as a payment provider in general, just for GitHub Sponsors.

[forti42]

just think about this: Microsoft bought GitHub, so GitHub removing PayPal might be an anticipation of something that Microsoft will offer in a similar scope as PayPal

I don't know what makes you think that. GitHub is not removing PayPal as a payment provider in general, just for GitHub Sponsors.

This makes it even worse. Pure greed and bad (only) for those ppl who rely on a platform that makes it easy and accessible for the sponsors. W/o PayPal, I´m outta here.
Why? Transactions via Paypal don´t show up on my bank account. And that´s what I want. My CC is tied to my bank and registering another CC anywhere else would drop my reputation.

[Maggomann]

They all want to save money and don't want to give away any of the big pie, however. My credit card company charges a certain amount per charge. Through Paypal, I have the option to "top up" my account once and sponsor over it monthly for free. With this I want to say that it is more a disadvantage than an advantage for me to sponsor via the credit institution and therefore I will also freeze it from February for the time being.

[abstractionmage]

Good for you that you even have a credit card. I don't because I'm too concerned about the lack of security with online credit card payments, so essentially GitHub just banned me from being a sponsor.

[Whoeza]

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Starting on February 23, 2023, GitHub Sponsors will no longer support PayPal as a payments processor. As such, it will no longer be possible to sponsor individuals or organizations using PayPal.

I received an email from Github saying this a few minutes ago.

Why is this happening? Some people are going to stop sponsoring because the alternative is to hand over a credit card number. Why would Github do this?

@SilentVoid13 @blacksmithgu

Money laundering through GitHub, through PayPal, maybe?

[emmaviolet]

Hi folks - Emma from GitHub here.
I completely understand PayPal is the payment provider of choice for some people (in fact that’s how many of us made our own sponsorship payments until very recently), but we’re making this change now so that we can ensure that as much investment as possible goes directly to the maintainers of the open source projects you want to support as well as help us scale GitHub Sponsors so it can support the growing number of maintainers that are now depending on it.
As pointed out, we are actively reaching out to the people who currently use PayPal to invest in open source with instructions on how to switch if they want to. We hope you do as the Sponsors community really relies on your investments.

[JamesMcGhee]

Hay @emmaviolet I suppose you have started to see some of the fallout of GitHub's decision now. We have lost about 50% of our sponsors at this point and expect to lose a few more as renewals come up.

I am not opposed to the removal of PayPal and understand they can be a horrible pain in the backside to deal with but the way this has been handled is really quite bad.

Few things you or rather GitHub could do to try and recover somewhat ... really should have been done before you removed PayPal.

1. your operated by Microsoft which has plenty of experience in proper payment processing why are you using a bare bones payment processing solution for GitHub Sponsor ... don't worry I know why. Your not operating GitHub Sponsor correctly. You are the merchant of record rather you like it or not and you are thus liable to collecting sales tax other such systems have gone through this already and your not going to be any different. Patreon, Buy Me a Coffee, even OnlyFans had there wrong expectations adjusted and now understand they are the merchant of record and need to act like it. Sorting this should simplify use of proper payment processing providers e.g. Apple Pay, Google Pay, PayPal, etc.

2. Okay so lets assume you want to try and stick it out where your not properly operating as the merchant of record and you want to pass that off or rather try to pass that off to us. Well few things
   A) You could let us connect our PayPal Merchant accounts or other payment processors of our choice
   B) You could use the full fat version of Stripe which has the ability to work with other payment methods besides just CC/Debit

3. Lets assume my assumption is wrong and the reason you dropped PayPal has nothing to do with your mismanaging of the tax and legal aspect of the Sponsorship program. Okay well again you are operated by Microsoft, why in the hell are you limiting payment options to CC/Debit ... that is the issue ...

If its not painfully clear the issue is that many people do not have and or do not want to use credit card as a method of payment. PayPal works for them because they can various means to get value into PayPal, they can convert currency there and they can do all this without the Credit Card fees or Debit fees that many have to deal with. You really need to give people a trusted and secure means to sponsor without being dependent on a card.

[hmans]

Hay @emmaviolet I suppose you have started to see some of the fallout of GitHub's decision now. We have lost about 50% of our sponsors at this point and expect to lose a few more as renewals come up.

If you've had sponsors on yearly billing, they will also have been removed from your list of active sponsors even though they may still be within the period that they've paid for. Details:

https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/49502

This whole thing has been a complete disaster.

[robertsLando]

but we’re making this change now so that we can ensure that as much investment as possible goes directly to the maintainers of the open source projects you want to support as well as help us scale GitHub Sponsors so it can support the growing number of maintainers that are now depending on it.

@emmaviolet I think this has been a bad move for both devs and supporters, I lost more then 50% of my sponsors in a month, sponsors that I gained in years of open source development, I never earned so much but for me that was a way to feel the appreciation and the gratitude of my users for what I do. You could at least have asked the opinion on this to devs/supporters with a pool or else sent via email for example, not so difficult to do. Also if fees are the problem, like most people are pointing out here, the easier option would have been to just inform PayPal supporters to decide if adding the cost of the fee or deducing it from their actual sponsorship, for sure this would have caused much less problems to everyone.

I want PayPal back, please 🙏🏼

[JamesMcGhee]

@emmaviolet
Another fun little side effect of the pore decision making here

PayPal while annoying as hell for a merchant I agree and share that pain.
Is fast for the user, now that users are paying with CC/Debit we have had several get the "Congratz" thing with a link saying its all good ... but the link doesn't work. The Emails are not sent, etc.

We think what is happening is that there is a delay due to payment processing seems to effect users from particular areas more than others.

Just wanted to share that more degradation in the quality of service offered by the decisions made.

[trickyearlobe]

Sorry GitHub, no credit cards for me.

• Updating them across multiple merchants when they expire is a pain
• I don't trust you with my CC details

How hard is it really to deal with Paypal and other e-Money platforms?
How much of a slice do they really take... I can tell you its pennies.

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Starting on February 23, 2023, GitHub Sponsors will no longer support PayPal as a payments processor. As such, it will no longer be possible to sponsor individuals or organizations using PayPal.

I received an email from Github saying this a few minutes ago.

Why is this happening? Some people are going to stop sponsoring because the alternative is to hand over a credit card number. Why would Github do this?

@SilentVoid13
@blacksmithgu

[Whoeza]

People of GitHub, aren't we coders? Don't we have the power in our hands to do as we want? Can't we make a web platform for sponsoring users on GitHub that relies on PayPal (and only PayPal for extra giggles)?

[robertsLando]

This is an alternative but none of my sponsors actually like this, and it's open source

https://liberapay.com/

[smolinari]

Some interesting possible theories:

• It's because of the latest reported security breach.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2023/01/19/thousands-of-paypal-accounts-hacked-is-yours-one-of-them/?sh=3c00fbe13a6b

• It's because Github's sponsor program actually breaks the ToS of Paypal, where donations can only go to charitable orgs, and of course, Github (as a proxy to all the devs) isn't one. No reference, just someone's conjecture.

Either one of these could also be part of the public explanation. The latter could have been negotiated for sure.

Scott

[siodor]

• It's because of the latest reported security breach.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2023/01/19/thousands-of-paypal-accounts-hacked-is-yours-one-of-them/?sh=3c00fbe13a6b

I doubt that it's because of such credential stuffing security breach => users were using the same passwords on multiple sites, they are to blame here for their own ignorance.

In today's cyber security threat environment it's really bad practice to use any password more than once and at the same time also not having 2FA setup.

• It's because Github's sponsor program actually breaks the ToS of Paypal, where donations can only go to charitable orgs, and of course, Github (as a proxy to all the devs) isn't one. No reference, just someone's conjecture.

That's one possibility or maybe Microsoft is launching their own payment service like Apple, Google, Samsung have their own and they now already cut ties to the competition.

[forti42]

If one of these reasons led to that decision, Github could be honest and straight and stop using PayPal at all. But it only targets sponsored accounts and that is just... well... muted

[JamesMcGhee]

I wouldn't be surprised if MS where to release a payment option but I would expect them to release it first then axe the others ... then bring them back when they release no one uses theirs :)

I think its more likely PayPal being a pain to work with in various ways makes it not worth doing for GitHub Sponsor

As I recall GitHub is using Stripe at the moment which is capable of more than just Debit/CC and is widely used at least in my experience.

But it only targets sponsored accounts and that is just... well... muted

I think it being focused on GitHub Sponsor is because of the legal categorization of the GitHub Sponsorship thing. Its not a simple donation at least according to our accountants and the revenue service here and the way GitHub runs it is odd compared to others like Patreon, etc.

GitHub doesn't want to act like the Merchant of Record ... but they absolutely are, this ties into what they are doing or rather no doing RE-sales tax and other related obligations leaving that to us to deal with. Considering how absolutely trash PayPal is to work with as a merchant (my opinion) I am guessing its uniquely the terms, conditions and or costs and liabilities around PayPal + Sponsor program that is the problem

[JamesMcGhee]

PayPal is a pain in the arse, we have had to move away from it in our other areas of business as well.

High fees, data issues, ZERO support for small merchants stupid conversion rates, no ability to choose the currency transfers go as even when using multi-currency accounts ... so I get why PayPal is getting the boot I would do the same

That said ya we will lose sponsors over this, hope they introduce other payment processing options plenty of users are hesitant to use credit/debit directly ... under the mistaken notion that PayPal is somehow more secure than other options but never the less it will impact.

[JamesMcGhee]

*reality check, NAM is not the world.

I am not in North America but thanks for the assumption
I was not saying it didn't suck to lose options ... it always sucks to lose options
I agree reasoning would be nice,
I would also like some transparency in the general plan for GitHub Sponsor, any plans to add other payment options (Google, Apple Pay, etc.) any more work on the tax processing side or the bare minimal they have done gona be it?

But that is all well beyond the topic, the topic is/was

Why is this happening?

I of course don't know because they haven't said but I would assume its similar to the reasons we see in other areas as I noted in my post. Just my guess and just my opinion nothing more.

For me it´s simple: No PayPal, no payment.

I get that, we have quite a few German community members that feel the same and as I said that does suck in so many ways.

1. That PayPal is a lynch pin in this relationship that sucks that 1 company/service makes or breaks
2. That this change is happening so quickly and with so little info ... just a "its gone K-tnks-bye"
3. That their is no real alternative e.g. methods for users other than CC/Debit available in this situation

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PP with USD whenever I want, i.e. at good exchange rates.

You find PayPal's Euro to USD Exchange rates favourable? They where the worst I found when I was looking around recently and Ireland is known for crap banking options really feel for you now if PayPal has favourable exchange rates in your case.

If merchant has a data breach, my PP account is not compromised.

PayPal is not the only secure payment processing option out there I wouldn't trust a mom and pop option at some random merchant either,
and I have had a PayPal account highjacked fortunately I have never trusted PayPal so it wasn't tied to my bank or anything silly like that just pointing out PayPal is not some superman in security its as vulnerable as other major processing options at best.

[siodor]

@JamesMcGhee

*reality check, NAM is not the world.

I am not in North America but thanks for the assumption

Sorry, I apologize, this wasn't meant to be directed at you. Guess I shouldn't write when I'm overworked, exhausted and tired.

I was rephrasing my post multiple times and had it planned to be worded that GitHub is a NAM owned company and over there credit cards are everywhere. People literally have multiple credit cards, even digital ones and I guess for the GitHub upper management it's probably puzzling why they face such a backlash at the withdrawal of PayPal for GitHub sponsoring.

Finished for today, sorry again.

[smolinari]

If Github were dropping Paypal for all of their services, like for the reasoning you mentioned, then that would be a more acceptable condition. But, they're not. They are dropping it only for the sponsorship program.

Scott

[JamesMcGhee]

@smolinari
I think that has to do with the legality around "sponsorship" or "donation" ... GitHub Sponsorhisp is not a charity, the people paying do get something for it so there is a tax liability and the merchant of record ... which rather GitHub likes it or not is GitHub and they are responsible for accounting for tax ... just ask Patreon and OnlyFans how not doing this worked out for them

So I think GitHub is trying to keep it as simple as possible and leave us in the wind to deal with our own tax ... which is fine for Heathen we already have accountants doing that but I bet a lot of you don't realise your supposed to be accounting for tax in each reagion you have sponsors according to GitHub ... of course according to the EU no GitHub is the merchant of record its their reasonability ... I bet PayPal makes this more complicated for them because that crappy little service is a bit of a prick with things like this and so I think PayPal for the sponsor program has a TOS issue or some other complexity GitHub doesn't want to deal with

[JamesMcGhee]

@siodor

No worries I was just clarifying that I am not speaking from a NAM skew
And that while I understand that CC/Debit is not something that is universal, I also understand why PayPal is a problem for this use case ... not this specific use case (international subscription service) not every usecase

GitHub is frankly in the wrong with how they are handling GitHub Sponsor ... they pretend they are not the merchant of record and that they have no responsibility to handle the sales tax situation and tax invoicing ... that is wrong, they do, this argument has already been had by similar systems like Patreon and OnlyFans ... and make no mistake we few offering people to sponsor us ... we are the code monkey version of OnlyFans content creators ;)

Point is GitHub (I assume) is bouncing off PayPal's TOS or other requirements introduced by them. PayPal is expensive to work with, has HORIBLE customer service for merchants and has ZERO flexibility at all so I get not just wanting but having to drop them ... we had to drop them ... didn't want to ... want to offer all options but they are not fit for some purposes ... full stop.

Now GitHub is handling this poorly, they should be more open with what is going on and they should be looking for alternatives e.g. Google Pay, Apple Pay, more fully using Stripe which does handle bank draft and similar non CC/Debit payment methods ... but it is what it is I was only adding to the convo RE: the OP question of (paraphrase) ... "Why though"

[njdjacobs]

Possibly because Paypal sucks? Google for: paypal sucks , and you will find that Paypal specializes in screwing the little guys. In my book that's the ultimate crime.

They're also exploiting their near-monopoly. When somebody tries to break away from a monopoly, the responsible thing to do is to support the breakaway, not complain that it makes your life a little bit less convenient. Paypal is not the only way to pay people.

[siodor]

If you ask shop owners then you'll get to learn that credit card companies suck as well and cost the shop owners a lot of money to accept payment in the form of credit cards. Some shop owners or restaurants here in Europe flat out don't accept payments with credit cards or only when the amount is really high to make it worth their while.

Actually, credit card companies charge multiple times:

• For owning a credit card

  • monthly or yearly fees
  • fees for transactions in foreign currencies
  • sometimes just out of the blue some other additional transaction fees

• Shop owners for accepting credit card payments

  • Payment terminal, has to be either bought, rented or leased
  • Cost for maintenance of payment terminal (even when rented or leased)
  • Monthly or yearly fees for the services of processing credit card payments
  • Processing fees
  • Sometimes extra bank account at a specific bank because credit card company doesn't payout to any bank

• Similarly like above for accepting credit cards in online shops

So, in summary, credit cards suck and cost much more than PayPal does.

However I agree that PayPal has a near monopoly which they're exploiting, but then again, which company with a monopoly doesn't?

[gregsyoung]

yet another who went to sponsor and recieved the same response.

and i will NEVER give github my credit card details … full STOP.
the developer looses out 100% of what i wanted to give, rather than loosing a small% for the paypal fee,
which frankly i doubt is much different to the exorbitant fees the credit card companies charge anyway.

if its about the fees, give the developers and sponsors the option to know that they will not get all of the sponsored $.

and if its nit about the fees … GITHUB “person up”. and be transparent … give us all the TRUTH in an open and collaborative way .
… oh gee.. yes GUTHUB is about collaboration…. well not a good demonstration at the moment

[JamesMcGhee]

We lost at least 12 all at once as a result as well

At least here GitHub uses Stripe as its payment processor so no one is giving GitHub a credit card or bank info, you are giving Stripe that info. Not sure if your sponsor will care or not its just a bit of info that might be of some use to some one.

Stripe is a fairly commonly used payment processor that might give them some confidence course they may just be pissed at the loss of option which fair enough nothing can help that it does suck to lose options.

[JamesMcGhee]

O as to why

I don't know but I think the issue has to do with how GitHub is not handling tax properly

Rather they want to admit it or not they are the "merchant of record" and are supposed to be handling appropriate taxes ... they have pushed that off onto us ... hope you have an accountant dealing with that for you .,.. but I wonder if that is why they aren't/cant use PayPal.

PayPal can be a pain in the arse to work with as a company and they may just not have a relationship that can work for them ... not justifying it just speculating as it is something I have ran into before in other areas as well.

[JamesMcGhee]

Just updating for the history of it in hopes @emmaviolet or someone from GitHub might pipe up or do something helpful.

At this point we have lost around 50% of our sponsors and the feedback we see in our community is related, again I am no fan of PayPal either but you need to give more options that are not dependent on credit card or debit card.

The community wants us to move to PayPal subscription or back to Patreon the issue there is we depend at the moment anyway on GitHub's ability to grant access to our private repos based on sponsorship level. Yes we could do this manually and its quickly approaching that point but that is more maintenance for us and we are small so that

1. is not scalable while sponsor counts are small sure maybe but
2. is not secure again we are a small human team and adding management of sponsorship perks is not really something we can afford time wise to do

Its a HUGE shame that GitHub took a feature away without replacing it with some alternative, there are many many ways this could have been done so much better and as a product of Microsoft you defiantly have access to the tech and resources to do so ... so what gives?

[Adorfer]

the issue is that there are organizations (ngo, clubs) who have a bank account and even paypal. But no credit card. if they like to sponsor other projects, there is no way.

[JamesMcGhee]

@emmaviolet
Getting more and more people trying to find a way to sponsor us that do not have a CC/Debit
Are you ever going to offer a solution to sponsor other than CC/Debit or no?

[forsakensingularity]

I have used Paypal even when eBay owed it and I can say from experience that Paypal supports IT'S commuity base NOT others like say Github. So, if I say github screwed me out of a particilar payment I will get my money back while paypal researches the issue. Now I would never complain about such things unless I truly felt screwed and I have given plenty of money to open source projects but a couple did not live up to what they said and I did get my money back - it was called a charge back and it hurts the business being charged ... in this case Github would be damaged by the charge back.

Github does not want to have any path for recourse or resolution >< enuf said :/

Bill

[Ummagummbo]

You know that it's the people using GitHub that would have the charge back, not GitHub the company, right?

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[LarryMonDouDou]

just think about this: Microsoft bought GitHub, so GitHub removing PayPal might be an anticipation of something that Microsoft will offer in a similar scope as PayPal

[raelgc]

Interesting that in the last month, GitHub is reporting that my monthly payment (to GitHub itself) throw Paypal is failing. Wondering if this is related to their move away from PayPal, as I can use it normally in other sites.

[bedirhandev]

PayPal should be back!!

[bodograumann]

There is some kind of integration between GitHub and Patreon now. Maybe that way we can use Paypal?
I suspect anybody who wants to be sponsored that way has to setup patreon and connect their accounts first though.

[wtarreau]

So I wanted to sponsor a project and I can't! What a stupid measure! I do really not thank you, GitHub, for this worst idea ever, to make it impossible for sponsors to send money to those who need it, claiming to make it easier. That's utter crap!

[wtarreau]

Absolutely I trust paypal because it's their core business and if they fail at securing my account it's serious for them. It's not the case for many other sites like github, hotels, amazon or whatever shops which will happily continue business after repeated incidents. This is as simple as that. Each company should focus on their own business and not try to step on each others' feet for the sake of feeling more important to their investors. Never heard about strype, but that sounds out of scope here since the problem is having github in the way.

[njdjacobs]

You trust paypal?!? Really? Do yourself a favor, google for: paypal sucks.
You will get a zillion descriptions by real people of why nobody should ever trust paypal. I could give you some links but don't trust me, do your own google search.

[d9j]

unless you do illegal stuff there is no need to complain about paypal anti money laundering policies

[njdjacobs]

None of the complaints I have seen have anything to do with money laundering. Money launderers operate with transactions of millions of dollars, or at least hundreds of thousands. The complaints are from "little guys", ordinary people just trying to buy, sell, donate or receive modest amounts.

[JamesMcGhee]

PayPal was once great and became horrible. Also the argument of its there core biz... GitHub uses Strype here in Europe anyway, they are a major payment processor, it is there core biz and they are trusted by a wide variety of biz including my own.

It does suck to lose options but ya we stopped using PayPal as well due to crazy fees, lack of controll in what currency we can withdrawel in and an absolute lack of any of useful customer service. PayPal was once great its crap now, failed to evolve.

[wtarreau]

They have more to lose than me in case of a problem on their platform, that's my point. Most sites have exactly zero to lose, this already makes a difference to me.

[Ummagummbo]

Cool story bro

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[DrorHarari]

GitHub is not doing well on the communication front - answers to many of the questions in this thread can be found here:
https://docs.github.com/en/billing/managing-billing-for-github-sponsors/about-billing-for-github-sponsors

Quote from the above page at this time:

About billing for GitHub Sponsors

You will be billed for your sponsorships with the rest of your paid products and features.

You can sponsor anyone with a sponsored developer profile or sponsored organization profile on behalf of your personal account or an organization. You can select from a range of sponsorship tiers, whether for an individual profile or multiple profiles in bulk, and choose between one-time or monthly payment amounts and benefits, all determined by the sponsored account.

Your sponsorship will share your account’s existing billing date, payment method, and receipt.

GitHub Sponsors does not charge any fees for sponsorships from personal accounts, so 100% of these sponsorships go to the sponsored developer or organization. GitHub Sponsors charges a fee of up to 6% for sponsorships from organization accounts. The 6% fee is split between the following:

• 3% credit card processing fee
• 3% GitHub service processing fee

Organizations can save the 3% credit card processing fee by switching to invoiced billing for sponsorships. For more information, see "Paying for GitHub Sponsors by invoice."

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@emmaviolet - please consider getting the original post https://github.blog/changelog/2023-01-23-github-sponsors-will-stop-supporting-paypal/ updated with the above information. It will save a lot of questions and annoyances. 🙏🏽

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[tjkirch]

Not dormant.

[JamesMcGhee]

The solution would be for GitHub to provide additional forms of payment if PayPal is not an option then enable Apple Pay, Google Pay, Debit, Credit, Bank Transfer and others

The reason so many still use PayPal which yes PayPal is problematic is that they don't use a credit or debit card and PayPal can and does link directly with their bank

You will have a few that for some reason think PayPal is more trustworthy than other regulated and insured payment processors but setting that aside

More options would resolve the need for PayPal
And while Patreon integration is an okay workaround it is not a solution

This situation is even more of a facepalm considering Microsoft is your daddy ... Microsoft has payment processing on lock down this is a solved issue why is it GitHub is still acting like a mom and pop having a spat with a payment processor?

[Hermione69]

in here our govt still havent accepted Paypal LOL!!!

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[tjkirch]

Still a problem.

[d9j]

unfortunately , im certain microsoft gives Zero damn about this problem. for them github is not very profitable product and likely runs on loss

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You can tell that's true because this conversation has been going on for 46 months and apart from their shitty generic "were doing this so you have more choices" copy pasted crap on day one they have completely ignored us

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