Question about Home tracker legality

[NinFanBoyFTW]

Hi, I just wanted to ask about possible legality issues regarding pokemon that are transferred directly from save to save (Across generations on PKHeX, without Home tracker IDs. Obviously Home tracker IDs are created when the pokemon goes through Home, but is there a legality concern when it comes to say a pokemon from 4th gen or even 8th gen coming into the 9th gen saves without any Home tracker ID? Is that possible to have no Home tracker ID transferring those Pokémon legit, or would it be a red flag that PKHeX was used?

[kwsch]

Is that possible to have no Home tracker ID transferring those Pokémon legit, or would it be a red flag that PKHeX was used?

Not possible without cheating. PKHeX has a setting that is default to "Fishy" for missing HOME Trackers when a Pokémon should have one. You can change it so it is truly strict instead of lenient for local play.

[NinFanBoyFTW]

I also think with the closure of the eshop, and looming threat of the pokemon bank service closing at some un named point in the future, people should be given as much information as possible about these mons so that they do not find out sometime much further down the line that their mons are illegal in the eyes of pokemon's servers when it is too late to simply boot up their 3DS and transfer everything legit.

[sora10pls]

At that point I personally feel that these pokemon should be flagged as illegal by PKHeX if the are in a future generation without any pokemon home tracker ID.

Like you were already told, PKHeX has a setting you can adjust for HOME tracker validity; the default is fishy, since the intent is to cover every other legality check before checking for the presence of a tracker.

[NinFanBoyFTW]

No, I understand that, and I changed that on my end, but I don't think that is a good default to have. I don't know how many people out there understand these options or the possible ramifications with them, but I am sure that a ton of people just want to know if their pokemon are legit, period. It should be a conscious choice to understand when you turn that option to fishy, you are losing some of the visibility of legality because you do not care if those mons can be transferred through home, or appear 100% legit online.

[Lusamine]

It is impossible for the program to let you know if any Pokémon is "legit" (aka obtained in-game with no edits). It can only check if your Pokémon is legal (aka has possible traits).

That said, it is default because if you are using it to edit data for personal use, the preference is not to flag them because it won't matter. If you care about legality, you can opt in rather than force every user by default to care about a legality check that doesn't affect local, personal use.

[Doctor-Pokemon]

I WAS going to agree with NinFanBoyFTW, but Lusamine brings up a very good point...
Most people using PKHeX are using it for personal recreation & not to cheese the online filters.
So most users won't care about a "fishy" result as long as PKHeX will save the edited savegame.

So having the Invalid Home Tracker legality check default set to "Fishy" makes a lot more sense to me now...
If you care, you'll know what's wrong;
if you don't care, you can ignore it, and PKHeX will still save the edited savegame.

Thank you, Lusamine.