noble titles

[mariannevanharten]

I am looking for a gedcom tag to define a noble term, such as countess.
Ok, I know I can define a custom tag, but may be another option is better.

[tychonievich]

g7:INDI-TITL is designed for this purpose.

[Norwegian-Sardines]

I don’t believe the NAME tag should contain any titles in them! In a list of names for a person why would I want to list, “John Doe”, “John Doe esq.”, “Senator John Doe” because he at birth he was name John Doe, then became a US Senator, and later became a lawyer. Makes no sense to me! I’d rather see just John Doe and a time line of events showing when he became and stoped being a senator, then later became a lawyer!

Then maybe he was in the military and changed rank several times. Is the title Major, Sargent, General also appropriate in that list as well?

His name never really change in all that time!

[kiwi3685]

I agree, but would go further.
I see the NAME tag as just a concatenation of a set of sub-tags. As such it doesn't belong in GEDCOM at all. It should be determined by the display software to suit the user requirements.

But I see a lot of "display" requirements creeping into GEDCOM7, so is its purpose changing from just reliable data sharing to something else?

[Norwegian-Sardines]

I agree, but would go further. I see the NAME tag as just a concatenation of a set of sub-tags. As such it doesn't belong in GEDCOM at all. It should be determined by the display software to suit the user requirements.

But I see a lot of "display" requirements creeping into GEDCOM7, so is its purpose changing from just reliable data sharing to something else?

The NAME tag is all that is required by GEDCOM, its subtags are not required and in many cases never transmitted. If the value of the display of a name is dependent on just the subtags, then the order of those subtags is important because some cultures display the surname first, and others display it last?

[kiwi3685]

The NAME tag is all that is required by GEDCOM, its subtags are not required and in many cases never transmitted. >

Of course- but it doesn't have to stay that way surely?

If the value of the display of a name is dependent on just the subtags, then the order of those subtags is important because some cultures display the surname first, and others display it last?>

Exactly. The subtags would need definition about their purpose, like any tag does, so software can interpret their purpose. Thats what any effective data transfer tool needs to do.

[Norwegian-Sardines]

The subtags would need definition about their purpose, like any tag does, so software can interpret their purpose. Thats what any effective data transfer tool needs to do.

This is why I think that the idea of “how a piece of data” needs to be displayed is indicate either in its “data definition” (i.e. GEDCOM7) or in the transmission data (i.e. markdown/html). The receiving application needs to know what the data means and how it was meant to be used and displayed!